How many people have blown their Boosted engine with the FCON EMS?
09-25-2006, 11:23 PM
#1
How many people have blown their Boosted engine with the FCON EMS?
Just curious to see how many people running the FCON V PRO on there stock block and a good tune have blown there engine? Regardless of turbo kit or SC.
If you did what were the conditions?
PSI?
WHP?
Tuner?
Thanks!
If you did what were the conditions?
PSI?
WHP?
Tuner?
Thanks!
09-26-2006, 03:27 AM
#3
Banned
iTrader: (1)
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: SAN DIEGO
Posts: 1,087
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Very unlikely to have F-Con for stock motor. Expensive unit and cost $$$ to tune. That level of tuning is unnecessary for the Max Power Level Constraints on a stock block IMO.
Good-luck.
M
Good-luck.
M
09-26-2006, 05:10 AM
#4
Registered User
iTrader: (1)
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: L.A, California
Posts: 1,015
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I have had a Fcon on a stock block for almost 2 years...at 453rwhp @ 8.5psi..love it, i know about EMS' so, i ditched the greddy emanage as fast as i could, and had a Fcon in about a months arfter my initial install.
09-26-2006, 06:02 AM
#5
I dont recall anyone blowing their engine with the FCON, but as mentioned, there are few people that have them installed. We recommend the FCON for higher boost applications 12-20psi. It's engine control and precision is second to none.
09-26-2006, 06:05 AM
#7
Originally Posted by Alberto
I know of a guy-but I wont publically put him/the tuner out there. I'm sure if/when he sees this, he'll chime in. BTW-it wasnt the FCON's fault...
Trending Topics
09-26-2006, 06:11 AM
#8
Registered User
iTrader: (5)
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: NoVA
Posts: 1,528
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
There's another too. But not a completely blown engine. Suspected head gasket... F-Con / GReddy TT setup. But - there were other things in the mix and not just a tuning issue.
09-26-2006, 06:50 AM
#9
Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Houston
Posts: 1,756
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by Sharif@Forged
Oh shoot..I forgot about him. I dont count that as a blow...since any engine will blow without a rev limiter!!!
09-26-2006, 12:50 PM
#15
Originally Posted by mraturbo
Very unlikely to have F-Con for stock motor. Expensive unit and cost $$$ to tune. That level of tuning is unnecessary for the Max Power Level Constraints on a stock block IMO.
Good-luck.
M
Good-luck.
M
I have to disagree with the above statment M, the more control you have over an engine with an aftermarket Turbo system the safer it will be. You don't have to worry about a piggyback system getting diffrent signals from the ECU from when it was originally tuned since the stock ECU is always changing its parameters. Also piggy back ecus usually dont have diffrent IAT compensation, and a bunch of other features the FCon has, Not to mention its awesome 32x32 resolution. There is always the "good enough way" and the right way to do things.
I started this thread because I would like people that have blown their engines with the Fcon to post their expeirance so I can find it if it was a tunning issue or other issue not related to the ems.
I strongly beleive stock motors can make plent of power with the correct EMS.
I do appreciate your opinion and input on this thread though. Thanks.
-George
09-26-2006, 12:56 PM
#16
Anything that gives the user full control over the engine, with a high sampling rate, excellent datalogging, friendly tuner tools, and high resolution is a good thing. The FCON excels in all of this. I think MrATurbo was trying to say, that on a stock block at around 400whp, there are other viable tuning tools...such as the UTEC. I would agree with that.
But for those looking for the utmost control, the FCON is going to deliver for you. I wouldnt say its overkill on a stock block...just better than anything else out there.
But for those looking for the utmost control, the FCON is going to deliver for you. I wouldnt say its overkill on a stock block...just better than anything else out there.
09-26-2006, 01:27 PM
#17
from the moment the car is boosted, the functionality of the FCON is never overkill. its cost might be unreasonable for lower HP, but I havent seen anything run a car so smooth so easily.
the FCON has the cleanest and most efficient software interface of any EMS I have seen. this means that your tuner can spend more time tuning, rather then hunting down reasons that simple EMS functions are not properly operating. after tuning FCONs, I lost my patience for everything else.
I first tuned my 350z with the FCON on 9/3/2004. It was the first time I had ever seen the software in my life. Within a couple hours of the first dyno session, the FCON handed me the smoothest FI 350z dyno graph around, along with the highest stock engine power output at the time (never tried more then 9 psi, back then it was unheard of).
The car ran flawless, and I pounded on the car every single night none stop. Something like 15,000 miles of nightly racing the car before I pulled the engine out for a build.
Like I said, when its this easy to tune a full standalone - your HKS Prodealer will be able to focus on TUNING. You wouldnt BELIEVE how many HOURS and HOURS of complete bull**** a tuner has to go through with other systems.
the FCON has the cleanest and most efficient software interface of any EMS I have seen. this means that your tuner can spend more time tuning, rather then hunting down reasons that simple EMS functions are not properly operating. after tuning FCONs, I lost my patience for everything else.
I first tuned my 350z with the FCON on 9/3/2004. It was the first time I had ever seen the software in my life. Within a couple hours of the first dyno session, the FCON handed me the smoothest FI 350z dyno graph around, along with the highest stock engine power output at the time (never tried more then 9 psi, back then it was unheard of).
The car ran flawless, and I pounded on the car every single night none stop. Something like 15,000 miles of nightly racing the car before I pulled the engine out for a build.
Like I said, when its this easy to tune a full standalone - your HKS Prodealer will be able to focus on TUNING. You wouldnt BELIEVE how many HOURS and HOURS of complete bull**** a tuner has to go through with other systems.
09-26-2006, 01:32 PM
#18
All you guys talk about its pricey. How much is it for the unit and the tune. Around 2000? I think for peace of mind and great running boosted Z its worth it. HMM. Is it worth a crap with the turbonetics kit? I know a lot are using it with TT setups.